. -, "You don't just view what's happening on the screen -- you live it through every gasp and every tear, and every bit of exasperated anger(resulting) in one powerful standing ovation, the likes of which I have never seen at Hot Docs beforeDear Zachary will move you. -, "To give you an idea how powerful it is, I'll just say that there was a lot of audible sobbing during the credits.and the first question in the Q&A started like this: "First of all, holy crap. -, "Demonstrates independent film at its finest." I mean, we would never, disagree with her or fight with her about anything unless there was real. anything like that, would we take care of Zachary? Mr. and Mrs. David Bagby will be notified of the award, and may request background information on the recipient to facilitate any contact between the recipient and the Bagbys. You can, just--there's nothing. Mr. SIMPSON: I said, `Do not meet her in private.' MORRISON: In Kurt Kuenne's documentary, Clark Simpson, one of Andrew's close friends at the hospital, remembers that November morning just two weeks later when Shirley surprised Andrew again. A review of Turner's and Zachary's deaths, released in 2006 by Winnipeg-based coroner Peter Markesteyn, concluded the provinces social services system failed Zachary and his death could have been prevented. (Photo of Shirley, Kate and Zachary; photo of Shirley, David and Zachary; Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Well, I just want your word that I'm going to, know where he's at, like any babysitter, you know, if you're going to take him, anywhere, just say, `Shirley, we're going to run out and do this. August 5, 2008: Hello. If you didnt realize the importance of that, Kuenne mutes the film to let you process it. David Bagby, left, and Kate Bagby, right, celebrate with their son Andrew Bagby at his graduation from medical school at Memorial University of Newfoundland in June 2000. Now that Zachary was starting to walk, he was free to make a beeline to. -, "This documentary will rip out your heart and leave you in the snow without a sweater. CONTRIBUTED BY DAVID AND KATE BAGBY Sixteen years have passed but for the Bagbys the story of the deaths of their only son and grandson resurfaces all the time. Photo courtesy of David and Kathleen Bagby, dear zachary a letter to a son about his father, Defector Freelancer Policies, Created In Partnership With The National Writers Union. . I had a husband I loved. The upbeat music stops and a little boy who speaks in that lispy slow muckle-mouthed way little boys do, asks, Why did Andrew get killed?. MORRISON: A couple of hours later, there was another knock at the, Mr. BAGBY: Told us what happened. It would be kind of upsetting, I guess, to let your son spend time. (Photo of David and Kate; airplane; lake and coast), MORRISON: But here's the thing. ', Mr. SIMPSON: And I told him, I said, `You know, Andrew, when I break up with somebody and put them on a plane and send them 1300 miles away,' I said, `They knock on my front door, I'm going out the back door and I'm calling the police.' I only live a block away.' He said, `What do you mean?' She was here.' Kind of panic sets in, I guess, and that's when it all hit the fan, I guess. They held their breath. Said, `Oh, no, I really can't.'. A huge chunk of the remainder of Dear Zachary is the Canadian justice system treating the Bagbys like common criminals while the actual criminal is given a breathtaking amount of freedom. Help contribute to IMDb.
After Newfoundland woman killed their son and grandson - SaltWire They are selfless. Shirley Turner had some startling news. December 15, 2009: KEITH MORRISON reporting: He was everybody's idea of the perfect best man. We. MORRISON: What do you do about this? The Bagbys have done their best to resume life in California. She landed a residency at a hospital in Iowa, several states away but still close enough to allow occasional weekends with Andrew in Pennsylvania.
'Nothing to lose' | Gilroy Dispatch | Gilroy, San Martin, CA They still have friends in the province, people Kate said they wouldnt have survived without. No less than seven of those friends had asked Bagby to be the best man at their weddings. Mr. SIMPSON: You don't need to go out with a woman because you can't think you can do better. Lying on my shoulder and looking up at me as if to say, Yes Nan, Im here.. And I don't know, I just lay on top of her and we, MORRISON: T.J. opened the door to police, too, and heard the. Typically, we meet the victim not as a person but as a dismantled puzzle to be put back together by the canny viewer, who is likewise appealed to not as a person hearing about a human catastrophe but as an analytical machine capable of sorting and weighing the relevant facts. MORRISON: But as Kurt made his way around the globe, his tribute materialized into something far bigger, and much darker, than anyone could have imagined. Ad Choices. In initial questioning, Turner claimed to have been home sick in Iowa when Bagby was shot, but cell-phone records showed her placing calls along the thousand-mile highway route between Council Bluffs and Latrobe in the days before and after the murder. Laudable ambition, difficult to achieve. January 15, 2008: MORRISON: How'd you feel about having a much younger brother come, Mr. SHEARS: I thought it was great. He laughs as he recalls images of Zachary running up and down a hall, saying that is a joy. He travelled across the country, and to England, to collect these reminiscences, which reveal Bagby to be a caring physician and a beloved and charismatic goofball. CORNER BROOK, N.L. MORRISON: When somebody tells you that your mother may have--was a suspect Mr. SHEARS: No, it has to be a mistake. Not too long ago? While the police investigation was still underway, Turner, a Canadian citizen, packed off to St. Johns, Newfoundland. Dear Zachary recently won the Sigma Delta Chi Award for Best Documentary of 2008 from the Society of Professional Journalists. Simpson advised his friend to call the cops and to not under any circumstances meet Shirley Jane Turner alone. IMDbPro Starmeter. David and Kate Bagby know all about the unlikely power of love funneled through rage. Mr. BAGBY: She just kept coming back, and coming back and coming back. Senator Tommy Banks of Alberta will be the bill's sponsor in the Senate, and will shortly be distributing DVDs of "Dear Zachary" to all members of the Senate, just as he and MP Andrews distributed the film to all members of the House of Commons last fall when he introduced the bill. GARDNER: (Audio recording) Yeah. Mr. BAGBY: Oh, yeah. It's pretty easy to analyze what the, options are. CONTRIBUTED BY DAVID AND KATE BAGBY Sixteen years have passed but for the Bagbys the story of the deaths of their only son and grandson resurfaces all the time. I--we both did. We'll keep this website updated as to their progress when there is news. Couldn't be her. (David speaking to reporters; Kate speaking to reporters; David on radio show; "Dear Zachary" poster; Kurt editing video; photo of Andrew; photo of Zachary; Mr. KUENNE: I almost gave up making this film when you were, killed. to reconsider getting some help with that. Mr. SIMPSON: And he said, `I'm going to need to catch up with you, and we're going to have to do some serious talking.' There was no way to stop Andrews murder, but there was no way to walk away from Zacharys body and just say hmm, okay, move on," said David. decision. So I gave her the. Curated newsletters for curious minds. Why would she say that if he wasn't?
Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father sounds like the kind of movie I would never want to see, which is why it took me so long to actually see it. news about his mother and baby brother, and was slammed with instant blowback. We dont do anything related to murder anymore, he said. It's said there's nothing worse than the death of your child, and this film drives that point home harder and with the utmost care and precision." It will have its television premiere on MSNBC this fall following a theatrical release that is currently in negotiations and expected to be announced in the coming weeks. All rights reserved, Click here for information on becoming a member. MORRISON: Coming up, a knock at the door, and then the news. With that kind of goodness, anything is possible. Such choices make for a disorienting viewing experience, especially if youre accustomed to the conventions of slicker documentaries. (David and Kate; photo of Andrew by tape being put into recording device; Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Are you babysitting? When Kate reached down to wipe one away, she accidentally knocked out the plug used to mask his facial wound. If you were to dream up the perfect set of parents, it would be Kate and David Bagby. Now armed with a powerful tool, "Dear Zachary: A Letter, to a Son about his Father," the tribute film Kurt Kuenne started making, first. MORRISON: It's no easy thing to be a doctor in America. Mr. KUENNE: He warmed up to me as the--as the week wore on, MORRISON: But the Bagbys were especially anxious. (Shirley in court; Supreme Court of Newfoundland sign), Mr. BAGBY: And then they started slogging through the courts with one issue, MORRISON: In the meantime, Andrew's parents made a momentous. Well, I said, `Bring some beer. Dear Zachary has been announced as the first film to launch the newly formed MSNBC Films division of MSNBC. MORRISON: Winter is capricious in Newfoundland; repeatedly, spring is briefly offered and then taken back again. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Or what about the one of me and Andrew? whose parents are charged with a violent crime. MORRISON: But was that what you assumed had happened? While that change felt good, David wanted more. Coverage from the 2023 Canada Winter Games, VIDEO: Your daily elite-sports highlight package, Making Canada Better: Atlantic Canadians striving for change, 2023 SaltWire Network. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) That you aren't trying to take my place. We. And as tragic as this story is, that is also where its consolation lies: that Shirley Jane Turner destroyed everything around her in an attempt to extinguish the love she was incapable of experiencing herself, and in the end she couldnt. . kind of panic sets in, I guess. Blu-ray | DVD, 10th Anniversary Edition: The Bagbys went to the morgue to identify their bodies. Its good to see him again, hear his voice, he said of the images of Andrew. The Bagbys, who recently marked their 50th wedding anniversary, say it sustained them for nearly a decade as they struggled to come to terms first with the 2001 slaying of their 28-year-old son, Dr. Andrew Bagby, and later with the murder of Andrew's son, 13 .
Some of, those frames even at the dollar stores will say--there'll be little sayings on, Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) if you want to say `Mommy and Daddy' on a. frame and stick a picture of me and Andrew in it, I don't know.
David Bagby - IMDb I said, `Do not meet her in private.' Well never understand how anybody can ignore the fact that murderers are dangerous, he said. On Aug. 18, 2003, while awaiting extradition to the U.S. on a charge of murdering Andrew, Turner jumped into the waters of Conception Bay South with her 13-month-old son strapped to her in a murder-suicide. How dreadful the knowledge of the truth can be, wrote Sophocles, when theres no help in truth.. And that's when she said, `He loves you, more than me. It wasn't just to monitor the, extradition process. With that kind of goodness, there is no limit to the possibility of transcending all manner of evil. It, (Photo of Shirley; Shirley, Zachary and David; photos of Shirley and Zachary). Turner, the daughter of a U.S. serviceman and a woman from St. Anthony, met Andrew while they were attending medical school at Memorial University in St. Johns. ', Mr. SHEARS: Things happen in America that don't seem to happen up here as. Keith Morrison reports. (SPOILER WARNING: Do not watch this short until you have seen Dear Zachary. He says his mother was so often, unavailable, especially from the time she started medical school. Kuenne is able to capture the true nature of love and dedication in a way I have never seen. I said, `Andrew,' I said, `be serious. -Managed leading Egyptian companies' accounts with the firm, including in the oil and gas, financial, consumer goods, real estate and automotive sectors. It then played SXSW in Austin, Texas, where it left audiences stunned and in tears. TO ME ITS REAL LIFE. Dear Zachary avoids the first pitfall by directly confronting the second. She always spent time with him, and seemed to me like she was, MORRISON: Still grieving over the loss of their only son, David, and Kate Bagby had forsaken their lives in California and moved to, Newfoundland, not just to make sure justice was being served, but also to be, (Kate; David; Newfoundland; Supreme Court building; photo of Zachary), KATHERINE: There's this wonderful feeling, `I'm going to see part of Andrew. MORRISON: Kurt and Andrew grew up together in Northern California, where the fledgling director gave Andrew starring roles in some of his earliest ventures. I can understand that. Then, upon. David remembers uttering, "It's really him," and recalls how the two cried over the body, tears falling on to Andrew's face. The psychotic bitch.) The bullets in Bagbys body were of the same type that Turner had used at a shooting range shortly before, in a gun she had recently purchased. thoughts, his wife sees something that rocks her to the core. If you were waiting to find out where exactly the comfort was in this litany of suffering, it is in Bagbys parents. On Monday, March 22, 2010, the House of Commons in Ottawa unanimously passed Bill C-464 - An Act to Amend the Criminal Code (justification for detention in custody). Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) He is too happy, Kathleen. None of his friends liked Turner because she was often inappropriate and even harassed one of Bagbys exes and just generally appeared to be an incredibly unstable, crude, and unlikeable personbasically Bagby's exact opposite. The Bagbys prove it is possible for a woman to kill your child and for you to forge a civil relationship with that woman in order to protect another. Kate Bagby feels her son was too trusting to agree to meet Turner at the park the day he was killed. Then the questioner got choked up.the best thing I've seen in Austin (at SXSW)." Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I was really upset when you took him today, because I feel like I did the day you saw him at Unified Family Court. But they also contribute to the feeling of watching something urgent and unmediated. They also have Andrews friends, like Kuenne, who remain in their current lives and with whom they can talk about Andrew. I dont know how else to say it except they are grown-ups: they are funny, but serious; playful, but organized. Digital: iTunes | Amazon | Google Play, Order David Bagby's book See rank. They watched the legal proceedings grind, infuriating and slow. Did anyone have more friends than he? (Supreme Court building; Shirley being escorted from court; photos of Kate and. That child was Zachary, to whom the film is addressed. David Bagby will be signing copies of Dance with the Devil on Sunday, January 20th, from 3-4 P.M. at Dolly's Bookstore, 510 Main Street, Park City, Utah. "Kurt Kuenne has crafted a documentary that began as a legacy of a friend in the form of a letter to that friend's child, and that is powerful enough to endure as legend. Do you feel all right about putting, MORRISON: Safe and warm inside the Bagby house, as the gales of a, Newfoundland winter raged outside, the inevitable happened. But before that could happen, Shirley was apparently deemed neither, dangerous nor a flight risk and almost immediately released on bail, most of, it posted by one of her mentors from med school, a psychiatrist to whom she'd, gone for treatment after Andrew's murder. But I used to look at her hand and think, it. COLLECTOR'S EDITION DIGIPAK only from Oscilloscope Laboratories:
If nothing else is accomplished with this film, it will absolutely attach you to the too-short life that was Andrew Bagby's, and you're going to be sad that you didn't get a chance to know him -- but glad all the same that you know ABOUT him now." I had a son I used, (Photo of young Kate; photo of Kate and David; photo of Kate and Andrew), KATE: And then suddenly you're in the pits, and then you have to learn that, MORRISON: Two weeks after Zachary's murder, the press covered a, Mr. BAGBY: (Press conference) We believe that the legal system helped her to, MORRISON: Charging the child protection authorities dropped the, ball, and that a disastrous bail system allowed a probable first-degree, (Zachary; court document; Shirley and Andrew). ', MORRISON: When Dr. Andrew Bagby's bullet-riddled corpse was, found in a Pennsylvania state park in November 2001, his devastated parents. 2015 - 20153 . This is the kind of couple, themselves beloved by hundreds, that produces the kind of son who is beloved by hundreds. "Go into this cold and be prepared for a life-changing experience. Kurt is incredibly grateful for the good folks at MSNBC for making this arrangement happen. I had lovely family. He's a little bleary eyed, but. MORRISON: Ah, but there was a lot to say about Andrew. This film wasn't made to win awards, or, for that matter, even be criticized. Wait, thats not true, Sophocles came up with it when he wrote Oedipus Rex about a king who unwittingly fulfills a prophecy that foretold he would kill his father and marry his mother, and then pokes out his own eyes because hes in despair and you cant outrun destiny. Newfoundland to meet the now 11-month-old little boy. On December 15, 2010, Governor General David Johnston gave Royal Assent to Bill C-464: An Act To Amend the Criminal Code (justification for detention in custody), making it law in Canada. June 25, 2008: I'm just curious Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Yeah, and I wanted to know for safety. (Driving through rainy street; correctional facility sign; Andrew; Kurt, Unidentified Woman #8: They would drive two hours to the jail. I'm just looking for somebody to hang out with and have fun here in school.' Purchase the book here: Amazon USA | Amazon Canada, To read more reviews, visit our Press Archive, ZACHARY'S BILL (BILL C-464) BECOMES LAW IN CANADA, (Click HERE to read a letter to viewers from David & Kate Bagby.). However awkward Shirley Turner made it, they were sweet, cooperative. But a few weeks later, she showed up in Pennsylvania, unexpected, for the wedding of one of his friends. For the Bagbys, shock might have, (Photo of David and Zachary; photo of Kate and Zachary; Shirley being escorted, from court; court documents; court exterior; court documents; Kate and David), KATE: I'd sat in the back of the room while Judge Green said to her, `I'm so, sorry, Dr. Turner, your life is on hold, and I know the law is slow.' The Bagbys could scarcely believe. I couldn't see the point anymore. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I do have a complaint, finally. In the course of the next two yearsas Turners extradition process dragged on, as Bagbys parents moved from California to Newfoundland to fight for custody of the baby, and as the case eventually took an even more terrible turnthe film came to be about those events as well. One for such a wonderful young man that you raised. Kate went to the floor, and I kicked the door and--oh, we, just--just like with Andrew, there's nothing you can do. In that time, it becomes clear that, thankfully, baby Zachary has his fathers penchant for emotional maturity and gravitates not towards his mother, but to his grandmother. They might as well have sent a taxi to her to help take him out and drown him. This report aired Dateline Friday, July 23. And the comfort they personify can be found in the fact that even in the face of Shirley Jane Turner, they not only continue, they remain good while continuing. On a shelf in the California home of David and Kate Bagby, sitting inconspicuously among some lovely china, are two urns. It turns out Shirley owned a .22 caliber handgun, which she acquired while living in Iowa. MORRISON: When T.J. heard about Andrew's murder Mr. SHEARS: I just figure, `OK, well, he was in America. Around 11:30 PM Shirley came downstairs, asking to borrow T.J.'s car. 7:30 I'll be at your house.'. Bagbys wondered if there might ever be an extradition hearing.
kate bagby and david bagby 2020 - sercano.com Meeting her at 6. Dr. Andrew Bagby was killed on November 5, 2001, by an older woman named Shirley Jane Turner, who he had dated at a low point in his life. MORRISON: When another of Andrew's best friends, Kurt Kuenne, heard about the murder, he also went into a tailspin. Blu-ray: View Source Suggest Edits Memorial Photos Flowers Maintained by: Tracy Lane Hoping to gain custody of the child, the Bagbys moved to Newfoundland. That's what Kurt does, he's an independent filmmaker. Its hard to imagine a well-crafted rendition being as powerful.). MORRISON: And then, in the spring of 1995, Andrew found someone, a Newfoundlander, also a doctor in training, a woman named Shirley Turner. Mr. BAGBY: (Talking in group) This is about making public exactly what, MORRISON: The Bagbys' public outrage had some results. Shirley asked them to take custody of Zachary while she was gone. David Bagby, left, and Kate Bagby, right, celebrate with their son Andrew Bagby at his graduation from medical school at Memorial University of Newfoundland in June 2000. Through a complicated series of delayed hearings and granted bails, Turner remained free for many months while the decision regarding her extradition was in process. "This is the purest, most intensely raw film I have ever seen of any kind, dramatic or nonfiction. KATE: You get a different kind of relationship with God after this kind of.
Pain, loss never end after tragedy strikes couple - East Bay Times I thought if I do that, I go to prison, maybe Kate. Turner killed herself and Zachary before she could be tried for murder. The next, hearing in the extradition process was set for September, at which time they. You know what, when Andrew didn't show up at 7:30, I knew something was very wrong.
Highlights from the week in culture, every Saturday. in honor of his beloved friend Andrew, and then for Andrew's son, Zachary. I said, `This woman was in town. In mid-December, the Bagbys talked to The Western Star about the rerelease of the documentary, Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father, by Kurt Kuenne. Six-month-old Zachary was, returned to her. You will laugh, you will smile, you will cry, and you might even want to stand up and shout at the screen. David remembers uttering, "It's really him," and recalls how the two cried over the body, tears falling on to Andrew's face. It stays so close to Bagby and to the people who loved him that theres never any question that its their side of the story being recounted.
Happy Birthday Dr. Andrew Bagby. You should be 49 today. You should be would now have to be something else, a visual letter to Andrew's baby. The pair planned to take care of the minutiae of dealing with a lost loved one, fly back to California and kill themselves.
David Bagby Obituary (1957 - 2022) - Statesville, NC - My Web Times Unidentified Woman #11: I love them very much. To revisit this article, select My Account, thenView saved stories, To revisit this article, visit My Profile, then View saved stories. (A number of his male friends say that they asked, or would have asked, him to be their best man.) Mr. BAGBY: Yes. Cpl. Kate & David Bagby will now be called as witnesses before the committee, the bill will be revised and strengthened, and eventually brought back into the House and Senate for a vote. her. Instead, the film's dramatic nodes are scenes such as the one in which Bagby's parents, David and Kate, recall going to identify their son's body. Why? Cpl. They began a drawn-out court battle to protect their grandson from the woman who had almost certainly murdered their son. MORRISON: Was she taunting them, they wondered? All rights reserved. In the, tribute documentary their son's best friend Kurt Kuenne was making to someday, give Zachary, the Bagbys' friends recount how difficult it was for David and. For those who've asked how Kate & David Bagby are doing now, here's a lovely article from Diane Crocker at Newfoundland's The Western Star.
After 2 murders, a healing process - PressReader I was like, `Oh, OK, yeah.' And now it's just. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Well, I have that for protection. What a flaky person. You live your life, you create an entire universe around you, you trundle along, and then FUCK. MORRISON: There might have been a particular reason for this. Its best to watch Kuennes documentary without too much background, but the basic setup is this: On November 6, 2001, Andrew Bagbys body was found, shot five times, in a park near Latrobe, Pennsylvania, where Bagby lived. I got to go to the trial. And that's when it all hit the fan, I guess. Blood red screen. The good life started in earnest when Kate first laid eyes on Petty Officer David Bagby, who was serving on the USS Hornet, docked in Long Beach in 1967. Turner shot Bagby two days after he broke up with her at a Pennsylvania airport as she was set to fly back to Iowa. GARDNER: (Audio recording) I have to tell you that Andrew is dead. Both screenings were sold out and received sustained standing ovations, an exceptionally rare event in the 14 year history of Slamdance. MORRISON: Andrew tried to make a clean break with Shirley in October 2001. The bill has added an amendment to Canada's criminal code giving courts the right to refuse bail to someone charged with a serious crime who is deemed a potential danger to children under the age of 18. KATE: And so she said, `Oh, take him and get him dressed,' to me. She would never go away. And that was midafternoon. Shirley Turner had walked out to the end, of a pier with tiny Zachary strapped to her body with a sweater, then jumped, into the ocean. Click here for ticket information! GARDNER: (Audio recording) Yes, ma'am, I am. And then we'd do it through the lawyers. Welcome back toCold Comforts, a recurring column in which Soraya Roberts writes about the grim, harrowing, and downright bizarre movies and television shows that she nevertheless cant stop watching, over and over again. March 18, 2008: The committee passed the bill unanimously, which is how it came to be heard in the House for a final vote this week. Kurt Kuenne's acclaimed orchestral score for "Dear Zachary", nominated for Best Documentary Score of 2008 by the International Film Music Critics Association, is now available on CD and for digital download. My TV-consumption habits for the past several months have been awash in murder, and Netflix knows itwhich is how, fresh from binge-watching Making a Murderer and hungry for more, I recently came across Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father. This odd documentarywhich deals with the death of a young physician named Andrew Bagby, who was a childhood friend of the films director, Kurt Kuennemade a small splash when it was first released, in 2008, but its worth revisiting now, in the midst of the recent bonanza of true-crime hits. In the end, she died, but love did not. Mr. BAGBY: And part of Andrew's problem was, I think, he was just too nice to say, you know, `Get the hell out of my life. How the fuck do you live like that? KATE: I thought, `Well, God, this is it.' MORRISON: Must have seemed like the enemy was in the camp. And he'd be like(turns. But two months later, that would change, after Shirley appealed, again to be released on bail. The amount of the award will be variable, but is expected to be in the range of $1,000.
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